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tent moot crash - By Request: The Pictorial Guideline to Amy Player's Identity
I will never cease to be creeped out that I am just out of frame (except for my arm) in picture #3b. I came so close to crashing on their couch as a 16-year-old!
3b... I knew numbering these photos was a bad idea. :-D
Wow Turi - being off LJ for a few years I missed everything from the 'apology' onwards. I thought I got a little crazy with the Datalounge threads and Bag End Inn, but this takes the cake. Fortunately all I lost in this fiasco was time on my cell phone. I had that cell phone until 2006, when I lost it getting fast food on my way to pick up my kids and that meeting was a distant memory.
I hope you're doing well now and hopefully the book will keep selling. Thanks for reposting this!
Karma will catch up with Amy Player one day.......and I hope it is real soon!!! SHE is pure disgust!!! Maggots vomit when her name is said out loud. Oh, wait.....crap....I'm gonna vomit!!!! Porcelain alter her I come......
Well it hasn't caught up yet and now people are DEAD.
Why won't it end?!?!
Ugh, obvious use of cheap blue contacts is obvious (so is the resemblance between little boy mugshot and publicity purple hair photo). I simply cannot believe that this has taken such a horrible turn (I do recall reading about the LOTR stuff and stopped following after he was lost in Hollyweird as Harry Potter, but these new spring/summer '11 developments just...make me sick). I hope Brittany's father can do something about all of it.
You need to update this post with photos from andythanfiction at Tumblr because there are (unbelievably) some people who doubt that there's any connection between andythanfiction and the "original" Andrew Blake. Argh.
You know, I gave up years ago on proving Amy/Andy's identity. People will believe what they want to believe. "Andy" has infinite lies at "his" disposal, while I only have one truth.
For example, someone asked," Why would a con artist continue to use the name "Andy Blake" if that name has been associated with cons and Amy Player etc?" The answer is simple: Amy has always stuck by her story, until there is absolutely no shred of viability left. That's true with many sociopaths: they'll stand there in the face of cold, hard proof and INSIST that their lies are true. Watch the movie "Shattered Glass" sometime--it's an oldie, but it shows EXACTLY how these people operate.
As long as there are people willing to give the "Andy" persona the benefit of doubt, Amy will continue to work that persona. She's invested a lot into it and she's VERY lazy--she doesn't want to have to put out the effort to create Yet Another Fake Persona. This is, what, her 4th one? Ciyerra, Victoria Bitter, Jordan Wood, Andy Blake...
Abbey DATED this person for YEARS and knew the "Victoria Bitter," "Jordan Wood," AND "Andy Blake" identities. She has written EXTREMELY sincere and detailed blogs about how Amy Player isolated and brainwashed her, and how she needed years of therapy and "deprogramming" to get her life back. Yet people will overlook all that and give "Andy" the benefit ot doubt.
This journal entry alone allows people to use their own two eyes to see the facts. But Amy is VERY experienced at manipulating people and convincing them to believe her lies. So she continues to get the benefit of doubt.
They'll get burned eventually and recognize what she really is. That's how cults work--the leader blinds everyone with charismatic words, until the whole thing falls apart.
I just hope nobody gets killed on this LARPing trip. Or married, or pregnant. That's the kind of stuff that happens when Amy gets people alone and works her "magic."
Edited at 2014-01-11 09:35 pm (UTC)
Heeeey, finally somebody brings my post to LJ. Awesome. This issue and my name were taken back to DW where I don't have an account and the LJ-sign in was being buggy for weeks so I stopped trying. Now forgive me if I sound peeved but I've had my name and intelligence dragged through the mud on this on that DW page for days because I dared to ask a question, and bookshop I hope you're reading.
Essentially, yes, you do need to update this entry because apparently someone asking for a shred of proof tying one user to another in a - by nature - anonymizing online world means that I'm drinking the Kool Aid. Never mind that I'm not one of their followers on Tumblr and never have been, never mind that I've never been interested in LARPing or going to cons or even meeting internet friends in real life, and never mind that I have one such friend who *is* close to this person and maybe I want something tangible before trying to convince her that her friend is out to hurt people.
We weren't all in every drama on LJ, even if we were around at the time. Some of us have to learn what went down from archives like this one and I don't think it's too much to ask, when being prodded into spreading the word against someone, to be absolutely sure the information checks out. I've never questioned the legitimacy of the story as printed above. All I wanted was a strong tie between this story and the user on Tumblr.
I don't actually need to be familiar with someone to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm just not in the business of burning complete strangers on the very defensive word of other complete strangers who have demonstrated a habit of disappearing back into the mist when I ask for proof.
Um, OK... I don't use Tumblr and I don't know who is dragging whom through what mud, so I'm not quite following your comment. But this is the first time I've ever seen your name (or Bookshop's, for that matter). But if you are putting any trust into "Andy Blake," I strongly suggest you go read Abbey's blog, starting with this entry.
You can see the sheriff's reports above, confirming that Amy Player was, in fact, "Jordan Wood." This was confirmed by
1. Amy's father, who could recognize his own child even if she was wearing poison-blue contacts AND had a new haircut.
2. Amy herself, who was arrested by this sheriff and spent a night in Marion County Jail (hence the mugshot) and signed documents there as Amy Player.
3. The Oregon State Attorney General also dealt with Amy and Abbey, by their given names.
Can you look at the words and deeds of all of these professional agencies AND these photos, but refuse to believe the connection between Amy Player and Jordan Wood? This is not just me, or Abbey, or a small clique of fans ganging up on poor Amy. This is the sheriff, the Dept. of Justice, her own DAD, for Pete's sake.
If you're doubting that "Jordan Wood" and "Andy Blake" have any connection, you might look closely at the "Harry Potter by Jordan Wood" card. Read the description: A reporter called that Starfire agency, because he wanted to interview Amy Player for this newspaper article. Zach Dundas, the reporter, had already seen the sheriff's evidence that Amy and "Jordan" were the same person.
The pictures also confirm that it was, in fact, Amy Player costuming in front of Mann's, and Abbey's blog describes the transformation from the Jordan identity to the Andy identity.
I KNOW this all comes as a shock. I KNOW that Andy seems like a great, fun person, and you WANT to believe Andy. I know this, because I adored "Jordan" the same way.
I wanted to believe in that fun-loving, fearless, goofy person, who seemed to care so much about doing good in the world, building a children's reading garden and helping others. And I also didn't know that every word out of "Jordan's" mouth was a lie, or that "Jordan" actually wants only one thing: the selfish ego-stroking "joy" of fooling other people.
Most sociopaths want money or political power, so you can spot them when you uncover their nesteggs. Amy Player wants to sit and revel in her knowledge that she's exerted power over people, and used words to control them.
*also 63 years later, because I had hoped this issue would die and it didn't*
It may be the first you've seen my name but that's only because the link is being used the way bookshop used it above, with a descriptor instead of my name. But there are links in a few places now, which I keep finding out because my stat tracker on Tumblr shows me the originating sources. Apparently my fool's ignorance is a hilarious cautionary tale for those in the know to raise eyebrows at. Feels great to be humiliated when asked for help understanding something. /frustration
Anyway, I want to thank you, Turimel, because this was literally the only reply to anything I've written on this issue that wasn't met with scorn and contempt. The only response I got that I felt wasn't trying to intimidate me into being a believer but rather trying to educate me for my own well-being. I'm sorry I didn't say so at the time, but I was so frustrated with this situation and I hoped it would die. (As you can see further below, it has not.)
I also want to reassure you that I don't care in the least about andythanfiction, nor do I trust them. The only reason I got so involved as to ask for proof about the Tumblr-specific person, was that I have a friend I know only through Tumblr who *does* follow them (I see her reblogs of their posts), and I know my friend to be a level-headed person with good judgement, so if I needed to talk to her directly about this person she's befriended, I wanted to do so with proof I could give my word on was legitimate. I've never cared about this person (andy) beyond the history I've read here on LJ, and I've never cared to know more until someone pointed the finger specifically at the Tumblr-user. All I wanted was someone to show me a link that went "Notice item X on andy's LJ and how it's the same on andy's Tumblr? Voila, same person." But most people disappeared when I asked for it, and the only person who did provide me with something gave me an extremely tiny picture of someone in full cosplay, which, as far as proof goes, kind of raises red flags for me.
So again, to reassure you, I don't actually know andy, I've never interacted with them, I just know of them through reblogs from my friend. And yeah, they seem like a decent enough person, which is why I sought more proof. But my assuming they were decent doesn't mean I'll be taking them at their word for anything. I am of the overly-paranoid type on the internet and I honestly assume most people are liars, even in the real world. And I've never held an interest in meeting people I casually know on the internet (again, see: distrustfulness), let alone for parties or LARPing, so I'm really not the mark in mind for this person.
But I do believe the claims you've made in the comment above, especially because they come with a ton of evidence that supports it (and I'll take a look through Abbey's blog because I don't think I've seen it before). And whether I believed bookshop's original post or not, the claims themselves meant I'd be keeping a close eye on my friend's relationship with andythanfiction anyway.
But anyway, thank you, again, for treating this issue with people's well-being and awareness in mind. I was appreciative back when I first got this response and I always regretted not saying so at the time.
Milena, I don't know what's going on specifically, but I can tell you: you are not the first or the last person who has casually brushed up against the Wank Juggernaut that is Amy Player, and gotten burned. In fact, this is the usual pattern, and one Amy cultivates.
It's a sociopath thing: Amy can't work her real agenda (the whole "I have occult powers and can channel hobbits/characters/celebrities" that seems to be her mainstay) until she has alienated her victims from their friends and family (who would bitchslap some sense into them, if they got wind of that nonsense). That's why the first step of cult entry is always "Turn your backs on everyone you know, and give me all your money. I'll take care of you and protect you from those awful people." Pretty soon you're left with "Gosh, either I admit to EVERYONE I KNOW that I was UTTERLY WRONG about EVERYTHING, or I have to play along, even though this shit's getting crazier by the second."
Amy only wants people around her who have committed to "I'd rather play along than admit I was wrong." Abbey goes into great detail about this dynamic in her blog.
The problem is, once those people burn out on Teh Crazy, they STILL have to go back and admit they were wrong, to everyone, and that's some hard damn business, right there. That's why I've come to respect Abbey and Cherie--because they had completely drank the Koolaid, but they both had the courage to come back and say, "Gosh, I was wrong, you were right, and I'm sorry."
I consider myself someone who drank some of the Koolaid, got an upset stomach, and spat it out just in time. I was never part of the "Jordan Wood" Innermost Circle in that I never heard about "hobbit channeling" or "Elijah Wood is not only my cousin but we have a psychic connection." But I was "inner" enough to hear the "I'm actually a cis-male, but I have a rare testosterone disorder that gives me this feminine outward appearance" lies. And when the fan finally hit the shit for me... I can't describe how humiliating it was to admit to my family that I'd been conned so badly, that I hadn't seen the truth that was right in front of my face, that I'd put us on the line for thousands of dollars.
I can't even IMAGINE how humiliated Abbey must have felt, having to admit she'd thrown away all her friends, her job, her marriage, wasted 7 whole years believing in magic and lying about it to others to glorify "Jordan/Andy," etc.
And of course Brittany Quinn paid with her life, literally.
My point: Emotions run VERY HOT around Amy Player. People who have been burned by her aren't just a little angry. They're FURIOUS. Any "Gee, cut poor 'Andy' some slack; let's be rational here," feels like a huge insult, to someone who did precisely that and suffered RL consequences for it.
The ones who haven't faced the ugly side of "Andy" yet are equally firm in defending "him," because Amy is very, VERY good at projecting a kind, fun, warm personality. Again, that's how sociopaths work--they have a strange ability to truly charm everyone they meet.
So yeah. This will probably keep coming back on you for another 63 years. As long as Amy keeps up her shit, people will get burned, and then they'll get mad, and they'll want to "out" her for the monster she is... and that generally means ripping on everyone who appears to be drinking the koolaid. Which is not really constructive, but I'm guilty of it too--I certainly took a lot out on Abbey and Cherie in my time. Maybe it's a natural part of this whole pathologic process, I dunno.
Good luck and be careful.
I can't tell you how much it means to read that I have earned your respect. Thank you.
Sweetie, I'm sorry that you didn't realize it already. Of course you have. You and Abbey both. ((hug))
Ah yes, I fully expect the Amy/Andy awfulness to continue interminably because that just seems to be the trend going. What I was hoping would end is the endless redirects to my personal blog from this page due to bookshop's link.
I understand how emotions can get so high and reactive, especially for people who've actually been so close to it all (I've read so much in the past few days, so many personal accounts, and I was horrified but then amazement kind of won out because holy hell does it take strength and courage to a) be able to escape the situations described, and b) actually take a stand to talk about it to help educate and warn others who might be at risk) and not a near-complete stranger to the issue like I am/was.
And I can see why someone doubting the events would feel incredibly offensive to anyone who was a part of it. But at the same time, if the first and standard response to questions becomes to publicly humiliate the people asking, I don't really know what battle is being won here. It's hard to feel like the message of safety and goodwill is genuine when some of the people spreading it honestly don't care what harm they cause others who've committed the great crime of expressing the most basic human skepticism.
I'm thankful that there are people like you who are still willing to give the benefit of the doubt to people even when experience probably warns you not to, because honestly, without your response weeks ago, I probably would have blacklisted all the Teen Wolf warnings instead of reblogging a single one. And who knows what that could have led to.
For now, I'm just going to keep waiting for the day when I don't have someone coming to my blog because of this. But it seems bookshop has decided I should be punished for as long as Amy/Andy is someone worth warning about, so maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.
? Sorry, I am not sure what your reblog of my post (I assume you're the person who reblogged my tumblr post a while back to question whether Andy Blake on Tumblr is the Andy Blake in this post) has to do with you being dragged through the mud on Dreamwidth? I have no idea what's happening on Dreamwidth, but I would remind you that Tumblr is public and there's plenty of cross-traffic between Tumblr, LJ, and Dreamwidth. When you chose to reblog my post and question the veracity of my statements (and the veracity of andrew blake's tumblr, for that matter, since he willingly owns up on his tumblr to being the andrew blake who is the subject of this post), you opened yourself up to criticism, just as I opened myself up to your criticism by making my original post to begin with.
I don't blame you for exercising skepticism, which is why I commented on this post to ask turimel to update with more recent pictures, because my linking to this post wasn't enough to convince you. But I'm a journalist who vets my sources before posting proof, so I would hope that you'd vet *me* before dismissing my posts offhand. I also didn't "disappear into the mist," I just didn't have time to walk you through the process of your own fact-checking when there are literally 8 zillion links tying andy blake's tumblr identity to his LJ identity and fandom past, as documented on my tumblr and other people's and in that very post that you dismissed defensive. Anything that happens to you as a result of what you did with the information i put out there = not really my problem. But for the record, I'm always sorry to hear of anyone being harassed on the internet, and i hope that wasn't what happened to you.
*63 years later because people are still linking back to my reblog thanks to you*
So what you're saying is that asking for specific proof of claims when none are provided means I should brace myself for cross-platform criticism behind my virtual back? Or, put another way, I either buy what you're selling at face value or the shit will fly? How do say that on one hand and then warn people to stay away from cult leaders on the other?
And on vetting? *You* are the one asking people to reblog a post. You're the one making claims you want disseminated far and wide to protect the unknowing, without actually educating those unknowing. *As* a journalist, why in the hell wouldn't you link to proper supporting documentation IN that post? Because I don't know about you but I'm actually not interested in starting up a dossier on each person I reblog. Occasionally, good people post shitty things, it doesn't mean I should label them non-credible for all time. And vice versa. If your info is good, I will reblog, if you give me no way to check on that without 6 hours of research? Frak your post, basically. Because it may well be vital information, or I may spend hours reading up to find out it's a troll post, and on most days, that's not a gamble I want to spend time on. And all this time I should be spending vetting you when you don't have the time to "walk me through fact-checking", a.k.a. provide me with 1 useful link? Nice double standards you've got working for you.
But, ironically, you *did* have time to link back to my reblog so that everyone in the LJ-verse would know to point and balk at the ignorant person who doesn't take strangers at their word. And you can speak to not wanting me to be harassed but that link back is still there months later, and people are still being directed to my tumblr all this time later, and will continue to be. So forgive me if I don't buy the potential sincerity of your words.
And for the record, a post has recently come out in the Teen Wolf fandom about andythanfiction. One chock-full of useful links to corroborate the information being presented, and I have reblogged that one. That's really all it takes.
The post that you are mentioning that came out in the Teen Wolf fandom LINKS TO MY BLOG AS ONE OF THE RESOURCES, to a post which also links to sourced articles I have written about this specific subject, so forgive me if I'm not really understanding why you think I haven't done due diligence here.
As for the rest, I'm just going to borrow Abbey's phrase and reiterate that I am not responsible for policing other people's discussions around the things I put out on the internet, nor am I responsible for making sure every reader who comments on my work has done their own fact-checking before they do so.
*snerk* I just have to mention here that in The Fake Cease and Desist Letter that Amy sent to me and the entire cast of LOTR, one of her demands was that I must go through basically the entire Internet, starting with Livejournal and Fandomwank, and retract/remove every single anti-Jordan comment in existence--even in other people's posts and journals.
FW had a riot with that one, lemme tell ya.
On a serious note, though, I hope you and Milena can work things out. This kind of "fan vs fan" thing is exactly what Amy counts on. Confusion and animosity among the "non-believers" just makes it easier for her to convince others to dismiss the truth.
Yeah, "one of" being key words there.
And I'm sorry but I find it to be a chilling lack of responsibility to physically post a link to someone's blog with the sole intent of humiliating them for being skeptical (at least that's how I'm seeing it) and then say you can't help what happens, or what other people do with it.
In case the conflict here isn't clear, I've taken offence to being made to feel belittled for having the nerve to question information pressed on me. But the reason I'm actually bothering to post about it here is because you seem to have decided I need to be *punished* for this skepticism by way of people I don't know flocking to my blog to stare at my "ignorance" like I'm a zoo animal.
If you don't realize how you're in the wrong here, I honestly don't know what to tell you.
And I'm asking you, as a last ditch effort, to please edit your post and remove the link to my blog. I have to see enough of this awfulness with Andy invading all my Tumblr fandoms, I really don't need this kind of harassment coming from people who claim to want to keep online people *safe*.